Posts by Giles Gray

Saw a program about this not long ago. It went onto explain that the testicles went on to pop out of a hernia in our pelvic region, which leaves men susceptible to hernia problems.

All that for cool balls.

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Evidence for a Young Earth

by Perry in

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Giles Gray

Perry,

If the Cretaceous\Tertiary extinction was infact the flood of Noah as depicted in the bible, can you explain the complete lack of fossils of extant mammals in the Cretaceous strata?

I miss Leolaia. What happened to her?

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Evidence for a Young Earth

by Perry in

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Giles Gray

Could the Watchtower have been wrong about earths' age along with all the other things they got wrong??

No. When they have suggested an estimation of how old the earth is, they have quoted science.

As with the thread you made about the origin of the universe Perry, if people are going to take the time to challenge you with true scientific facts and figures, are you going to have the decency to admit when you have been proven wrong?

Or are you only going to stay in this debate till it heats up beyond where your knowledge ends and then cowardly run away as per usual?

If you are not going to be reasonable and admit defeat when you have been proven wrong, can you understand how futile this makes your thread?

This isn't going to be just another waste of time for everyone is it?

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Many are leaving their enforced, inbred and inherited religions, and surprise it's not just JWs...

by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

jw
friends

i want to share this great article from an informative website on religion and how it is an age old play on emotions and why many are fleeing from religion, including you.

the other insightful articles on this website will help to soothe your complex worries and open your eyes to a great reality.. one love.

http://wakeup-world.com/2015/11/21/waking-up-from-religion/.

Giles Gray

News Flash! Once you leave JW world, no one cares if you have differing beliefs, but it's seems some on this forum are stuck in a JW mindset of controlling others thoughts and beliefs that are differing from your own

You poor thing. Well if it's that unfair, why don't you stop conversing with such bigoted people and seek out a nice forum of open-minded easily beguiled types?
You are scraping the bottom of the barrel and trying to be as antagonistic as you possibly can before you get thrown off the site.
Why not hang onto the last little bit of decency you have left and leave this horrid place now?

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What's your favourite feel good movie ?

by jhine in

maybe it's time for a less serious thread .

i have just finished watching dirty dancing ( again ) .

what is your feel good movie , the one that makes you smile and cry happy tears ?

Giles Gray

Crazyguy
Jaws

So funny.

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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

by Perry in

the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

whatever begins to exist had a cause.

therefore the universe had a cause.

Giles Gray

Thanks for the welcome.

Prologos, Perry's quote that I was responding to is on page 5 of this thread.

“I don’t believe the billions of years characterization of the universe. 17 times God says that he manipulated space and time to “stretch” out the heavens.

This action is consistent with someone with the power and intelligence to create space and time in the first place.

If the master inventor of space and time says he did it in 6 days; I believe him.”

My reply is more from the thought of the distortion of reality of such a ludicrous claim. There has obviously been no thinking out of the logistics in the light of physics.

To demonstrate, Perry claims that the universe was ‘stretched out’ during the 6 days of creation. If all matter was collected at one point on the first day, and stretched to its current position of approximately 14 billion light years (although mathematicians anticipate that it could now be as much as 45 billion light years, accounting for cosmic inflation), over the subsequent 6 days, matter that we can see at the edge of the universe would have to have travelled at an average speed of just over 27,006 light years per second.

This means that it would have taken a little under 4 seconds for these distant objects to travel the distance of the diameter of the Milky Way galaxy. Light only travels 186,282 miles per second and has no mass, which makes this part of Perry’s hypothesis impossible.

Perry could get around this by asserting that his god teleported the objects deep into space to their presently observed position. They didn’t travel at all but were instantly placed, or should I say, stretched there. If we give Perry this concession, the problem would then be, how it is that we can see such objects?

For light to have travelled from 14 billion light years away, 6000 years ago, Perry’s god would have had to have accelerated that light to the speed of 4.436 light years per minute, every minute, for the past 6000 years.

To put that into some kind of practical context, the nearest star from our solar system is a distance of 4.24 light years away. It is called Proxima Centauri. The accelerated speed of light, according to Perry’s hypothesis, means it would take just 57 seconds for light to travel the 4.24 light years from Proxima Centauri to earth. As you can easily ascertain, the suggested accelerated speed of light is quite dramatic to say the least.

Even if any of this were true, it would mean we would only just be receiving the light from those distant parts of the universe now.

Why would Perry’s god mess around with physics so dramatically? Why would he hide the evidence?

For me, it is no different to the Catholic Church in relation to Galileo. To these people, belief is more precious than truth. How else can anyone explain such illogic?

The whole claim that Perry is postulating is very amusing when you work out the scientific ramifications of something so ludicrous.

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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

by Perry in

the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

whatever begins to exist had a cause.

therefore the universe had a cause.

Giles Gray

Perry. If your posts show anything it is that you really don’t have much, or don’t wish to posses much understanding of the topic of the universe.

To make deductions about the universe using an ancient book has always proved to be fraught with error. For thousands of years it seemed very good logic to observe the geocentric aspect of earth in relation to the universe. Hipparchus and Ptolemy both worked out very sophisticated mathematics in order to reconcile the universe to a geocentric model. This all fits very nicely into the biblical references that imply the earth is the centre of the universe. So, logically speaking, it had to be true…?

No! But you can’t blame mankind for being wrong. After all, what would a geocentric universe look like from earth? It would look very similar to the Heliocentric universe that we live in.

When the discovery was made, science soon adapted to the new theory of the heliocentric model. Religion didn’t adapt to the truth at all but arrogantly continued to erroneously teach that the earth is the centre of the universe. Why? Because they claimed their book told them so.

Perry, in a similar vein, you claim that the universe is only 6000 years old because an old book says that it is. You try to get around the scientific theory that the universe is nearer to 14 billion years old by citing your old book, claiming that a god would violate his own integral laws of physics to stretch out the universe to 14 billion light years.

It’s hard to take such a suggestion seriously, but thought it would be fun to examine such a claim. The first question would be ‘why would God have the need to stretch anything out in the first place?’ If the universe is only 6000 years old, why aren’t the most distant objects only 6000 light years away? What would be the problem with that?

But here are a few problems with that hypothesis. How is light getting to us now from the edge of the universe 14 billion light years away? If the answer to that is that light also stretched with the universe, then why does this not show up with the charting of red-shift? The fact is we just wouldn’t be able to see the distant objects in the universe because the light wouldn’t have come anywhere near to reaching earth, even if god did stretch out the universe to its observable boundaries now. Light over 6000 years old still would not have reached us because light speed is a constant.

The hypothesis of the universe being stretched would also be an anomaly with what we see happening in the universe as we speak. For example, when a star explodes, the first we know about it is an intense wave of photons that emit from such a phenomenon. The next thing to be detected from an exploding star is the neutrinos that follow on after, at near light speed. The fact that photons reach the earth a considerable time before the onrush of neutrinos indicates how far away in space these exploding stars are from us. If the universe had been stretched, then there would be no such delay of the arrival of these two particles.

There is no evidence at all for this ludicrous claim.

Now I’m sure you will say that your god can do anything, even removing the evidence from space so that the stretching of the universe was undetectable. The question would be ‘why would god remove the evidence of stretching the universe but at the same time he would leave the evidence of a universe that is expanding?’

The fact is that what you claim the bible says is provably refutable and utter nonsense. Like how the Catholic Church dealt with the evidence of Galileo, you are purposely working against what is truth because of what you think an ancient book says. How foolish the Catholic Church were…